Jenna Udenberg is a lifelong resident from the Northshore of Minnesota and is a former music educator of 19 years. She has used a manual wheelchair since the age of 8 due to Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis. Jenna is a 2017 Blandin Foundation Community Leader, a 2020 Bush Fellow, and a 2025 Shannon Leadership Institute Fellow.

Writing for the Lake County Press in her column, Local View from 4 foot 2, inspires vulnerability and the sharing of lived experiences from the seated perspective. Within My Spokes: A Tapestry of Pain, Growth & Freedom is Jenna’s published memoir which you can find on the A&BWU website, on Amazon or wherever you find your books.

In her free time, you can find Jenna outdoors on paved trails or fishing with friends, playing board and card games, as well as coaching the Robo Dweebs, a LEGO robotics team. Jenna is the founder of the non-profit, Above & Beyond With U, which works to increase accessibility and inclusion in Minnesota and beyond.

Takeaways:

1. Jenna Udenberg emphasizes the importance of creating accessible and inclusive environments for all individuals.
2. The principle of universal design plays a crucial role in ensuring equitable access to spaces and services.
3. A significant aspect of Jenna’s work is fostering conversations around disability and breaking down societal misconceptions.
4. The sentiment that all humans have needs is central to Jenna’s advocacy for kindness and understanding in community interactions.
5. Jenna’s experiences as a wheelchair user illuminate the barriers present in everyday environments and the need for thoughtful design.
6. The phrase ‘nothing for us without us’ encapsulates the necessity of including disabled individuals in discussions about accessibility.

Chapters:

1. 00:10 – Jenna Udenberg: A Journey of Resilience
2. 01:29 – Creating Inclusive Spaces: The Mission of Above and Beyond
3. 10:24 – Understanding Disability and Accessibility
4. 25:56 – Understanding Disability in Education
5. 32:51 – Reflections on Teaching and Growth Mindset
6. 37:18 – Empowerment and Resilience in Leadership

https://www.aboveandbeyondwithu.org/

https://www.instagram.com/aboveandbeyondwithu

https://www.facebook.com/people/Above-Beyond-With-U/100091881005060/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/91173822

Show Sponsor – National Association for Primary Education (NAPE) https://nape.org.uk/

Find out more about their Primary First Journal: https://www.educationonfire.com/nape

🔥 Discover more about Education on Fire and get a FREE pdf of 10 guest resources you can use to support learning

Home

🔥 Support the show – Buy me a coffee, Merch and Sponsorship Opportunities

Support the Show

Victoria Lenormand is a former police detective turned holistic coach, Reiki master, and passionate advocate for alternative education and social justice. With a 28-year career in public service behind her, Victoria’s lens is both compassionate and sharp: she’s witnessed firsthand how institutions can sometimes fail those they claim to serve. Her journey took a transformative turn when her youngest son’s autism diagnosis revealed the flaws in rigid educational and medical systems. Choosing to home educate, she and her family embraced a life of flexibility, healing, and empowerment—living in a motorhome before settling in Scotland and exploring a more intuitive way of living. Her family’s transformation, sparked by a combination of diet, environment, and deep listening, revealed the healing power of choice and the cost of ignoring it.

Today, through Gemini Directions, Victoria now works with families and individuals who feel stuck inside systems not made for them. Her work draws on training in wellness coaching, trauma-informed care, and energy work—but more than anything, it’s shaped by real-world experience: managing crisis with calm, asking better questions, making space when the default is to push through. Victoria speaks to parents at breaking point, professionals navigating burnout, and educators or policymakers open to doing things differently. Her conversations centre around those day-to-day quiet acts of courage: advocating for yourself, questioning “normal,” and moving toward something slower, more responsive, and often more effective.

Takeaways:

1. The value of a child is often revealed in the challenges they face, not just in their successes.
2. When traditional education fails to meet a child’s needs, parents must explore alternative educational paths.
3. Creating a supportive community is essential for families navigating the complexities of education and special needs.
4. Empowering children to take charge of their own learning fosters autonomy and encourages a love for education.
5. Resilience is cultivated through overcoming challenges and learning to adapt in the face of adversity.
6. The holistic approach to education recognizes the interconnectedness of emotional, physical, and academic well-being.

Chapters:

1. 00:20 – Choosing to Withdraw: A New Direction
2. 06:20 – The Journey of Learning and Discovery
3. 08:23 – The Journey of Learning and Inclusion
4. 18:51 – Navigating Educational Change
5. 22:49 – Rethinking Education: Navigating New Possibilities
6. 28:20 – The Journey of Personalization in Learning
7. 34:45 – Navigating Educational Change and Personal Growth
8. 40:01 – The Importance of Community Support in Challenging Times
9. 42:38 – The Power of Resilience and Community

https://geminidirections.co.uk/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/geminidirections.co.uk

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/geminidirections

Show Sponsor – National Association for Primary Education (NAPE) https://nape.org.uk/

Find out more about their Primary First Journal: https://www.educationonfire.com/nape

🔥 Discover more about Education on Fire and get a FREE pdf of 10 guest resources you can use to support learning

Home

🔥 Support the show – Buy me a coffee, Merch and Sponsorship Opportunities

Support the Show

In the summer of 2024, Irise brought together a diverse group of young people from across the UK, alongside their allies and educators to directly inform a ‘Toilet Policy Toolkit’, to equip schools with the tools they need to create a Toilet Policy that works for everyone. 

https://www.irise.org.uk/uk-schools-toilet-policy-toolkit

Kelly Greenaway is phs Group’s period equality lead. Over the past nine years with the hygiene provider she has led a number of thought-leadership campaigns, which have eventually been sewn into the identity of the business.

From tackling period inequality and campaigning for better access to period products for people in a variety of locations, to championing the need for dignified disposal for men, Kelly has put purpose at the heart of phs.

Chrissy Cattle – CEO of Irise International 

Irise is an award winning, global leader in menstrual justice programming, policy and research. 

Takeaways:

• The podcast discusses a newly developed toilet policy toolkit aimed at enhancing period equity in schools.
• This toolkit was co-created by educators and young activists to address the issue of toilet access.
• Research indicates that many students face significant barriers when trying to access school toilets, including the need for permission and limited availability.
• The conversation emphasizes the importance of listening to young people’s experiences and incorporating their feedback into effective policy-making.
• The podcast highlights the collaboration between organizations to drive change in menstrual health and hygiene education.
• Both guests underscore the necessity of improving toilet accessibility to support students’ health and well-being during their menstrual cycles.

Chapters:

• 00:02 – Introduction to the Toilet Policy Toolkit
• 04:55 – Understanding the Challenges of Period Equality in Schools
• 09:46 – The Toolkit and Its Implementation
• 20:09 – Advocating for Period Equity: Insights and Initiatives
• 26:49 – Empowerment through Leadership Programs

Kelly Greenaway – phs Group

 https://www.phs.co.uk/

 https://x.com/phsgroup

Chrissy Cattle – Irise International 

https://www.irise.org.uk/

 https://www.instagram.com/irise_international/

Show Sponsor – National Association for Primary Education (NAPE) https://nape.org.uk/

Find out more about their Primary First Journal: https://www.educationonfire.com/nape

🔥 Discover more about Education on Fire and get a FREE pdf of 10 guest resources you can use to support learning

Home

🔥 Support the show – Buy me a coffee, Merch and Sponsorship Opportunities

Support the Show

David K Richards is the Founder & CEO of Changemaker Education, a national network of affiliate love-based microschools and an incubator for founders who want to usher in a new paradigm for the future of education. He is also the host of the Changemaker ED“U” podcast.

Previously, he was Founder & CEO of Growth Public Schools, and a founding teacher and leader with Summit Public Schools where he launched several innovative schools. In addition he serves as a leadership and life coach. David has worked in education reform for over 25 years as a teacher, principal, executive, and board member.

He lives in Sacramento, CA with his wife and his two children, and holds a BA from UC Berkeley and an MA from Stanford University.

Takeaways:

• The traditional education system has remained largely unchanged, resembling a factory model that fails to meet the needs of modern learners.
• Microschools represent a transformative approach to education, empowering educators and communities to create personalized learning environments.
• The emergence of microschools arises from a growing desire for more intimate, love-based educational experiences that focus on social emotional learning.
• ChangeMaker Education aims to cultivate a network of microschools, emphasizing the importance of relationships and community involvement in fostering student success.
• In the face of societal shifts, such as the rise of the gig economy and the expansion of homeschooling, families are increasingly seeking alternative education options.
• There exists a significant demand for educational reform that prioritizes personalized learning and emotional development, particularly in light of ongoing advancements in technology and AI.

Chapters:

• 00:16 – Revolutionizing Education: The MicroSchool Movement
• 01:04 – Introduction to Microschools and Educational Innovation
• 13:50 – Transitioning from Educator to Entrepreneur
• 16:30 – The Rise of Personalized Education
• 22:59 – The Future of Education: Embracing Change and Choice
• 31:18 – The Ripple Effect in Education

https://www.changemakereducation.com/

Show Sponsor – National Association for Primary Education (NAPE) https://nape.org.uk/

Find out more about their Primary First Journal: https://www.educationonfire.com/nape

🔥 Discover more about Education on Fire and get a FREE pdf of 10 guest resources you can use to support learning

Home

🔥 Support the show – Buy me a coffee, Merch and Sponsorship Opportunities

educationonfire.com/support

Dr. Robin Harwick is the founder and director of The Pearl Remote Democratic High School—an international, online school reimagining education for youth pushed out of mainstream systems.

A lifelong educator, researcher, and creator of healing-centered programs, she combines lived experience with academic rigor to disrupt the status quo. Her work champions self-determination, culturally affirming curriculum, creativity, and shared power.

Whether she’s launching new models or mentoring others to do the same, Dr. Harwick believes the future belongs to those bold enough to build it, and that education should be a tool for liberation, not control.

Takeaways:

• Dr. Robin Harwick emphasizes the necessity of making education valuable both in the present and future, ensuring students find relevance in their learning today.
• The Pearl Remote Democratic High School serves students who have been marginalized by mainstream educational systems, focusing on personalized and supportive learning environments.
• Effective education requires fostering emotional well-being alongside academic success, recognizing that students often struggle when pressured to conform to traditional expectations.
• Students at the Pearl experience a collaborative and democratic learning process, empowering them to take ownership of their education and engage actively in their learning journey.

Chapters:

• 00:00 – The Value of Education
• 02:21 – The Importance of Personalized Education
• 08:16 – The Importance of Multicultural Education
• 17:41 – Understanding Student Engagement and Mental Capacity
• 23:10 – Transitioning to Online Education
• 28:16 – Transitioning to Personalized Learning
• 34:10 – Creating Safe Spaces for Students
• 34:59 – Transforming Education: The Role of Democratic Classrooms
• 44:20 – The Shift from Compliance to Personal Growth in Education
• 47:54 – The Power of Resilience and Hope

https://thepearlhighschool.org/

https://www.instagram.com/the_pearl_high_school/

https://www.facebook.com/ThePearlHighSchool

Show Sponsor – National Association for Primary Education (NAPE) https://nape.org.uk/

Find out more about their Primary First Journal: https://www.educationonfire.com/nape

🔥 Discover more about Education on Fire and get a FREE pdf of 10 guest resources you can use to support learning

Home

🔥 Support the show – Buy me a coffee, Merch and Sponsorship Opportunities

educationonfire.com/support